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Alistair Overeem says Fedor Emelianenko is not the greatest heavyweight ever: He fought cans and declined to fight me

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One of the biggest questions that has persisted throughout combat sports history is how long is too long to stick around? The nature of the fight game, blunt force trauma to the head, means that it’s better suited to young men but the reality is that aging veterans and legends of the sport often have a hard time letting go, often to their detriment. Most recently, these questions about when to walk away have surfaced regarding two of MMA’s all-time greats: B.J. Penn and Fedor Emelianenko.

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Post #1   7/4/17 12:48:15AM   

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If you would have told me 5 years ago that Overeem would say Fedor isn't GOAT bc he just crushes cans, I never would have believed you. So much has changed since then.

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Lmfao Alistair fought many of the same "cans" and never fought the elite in the best Hw division in the history of the sport thus far.


Alistair has had more success in the later part of his career but he still isnt even a top 5 greatest HW of all time,he's probly more in the 8-10 range.

Lets compare their History at Hw in the Orgs they both were apart of......

RINGS (one of few elite talent orgs at the time)

Overeem went 3-2 never winning a tournament or even advancing against mid tier talent.

Fedor went 11-1 in Rings against mid to premier level talent winning multiple tournaments.


PRIDE(best hw division in mma)

Overeem went 1-1

Fedor went 15-0 going undefeated and becoming champion defending multiple times in Pride


Strikeforce (#2 org at the time)

Overeem went 3-0 becoming champion and defending once,Beating Buentello,then fought brett rogers for the hw title(after fedor kod rogers in Rogers previous fight),then defended the belt years after winning it against werdum.

Fedor went 1-3 beating Rogers who was undefeated and coming off the ko of arlovski and was a ranked hw,then lost his first fight ever to Werdum,then dropped 2 more against Bigfoot,and Hendo.(all 3 fighters would go on to challenge for Ufc titles 1 in werdum actually winning it)



Alistair lost to Werdum,and Bigfoot just like Fedor,and was beaten by mid tier fighters in travis browne and Big ben like Fedor got beaten by Meathead.



I understand Overeem is trying to talk to get his name out their for his upcoming fight .......but he can't even claim to be the #5 greates hw......why try and chip away at fedors legend?

As far as fedor ducking overeem......overeem ducked defending his strikeforce hw title forever......and wasnt even a ranked hw in Pride.....so he should shut up.

Even if he wins the Ufc hw title it isn't like thats the accolade that would put him as the GOAT.The UFC hw division is in the shape most of the hw division is globally its full of near 40 bigger names with few real talents to fill in the voids.



Overeem is a great talent and a perennial top contender but he took a much different road on which he didn't spend his entire career as a hw,he's never won a title in a #1 org,and though he did kickboxing as well as mma fedor maintained a championship level sambo career and was undefeated in that as well as mma in his prime.




The difference imo in fedor and overeem is fedors legend is sealed him fighting at 40 is just a treat for fans and to test himself at his elder age....meanwhile overeem is still trying to solidify his place in the pecking order of the Hw Greats with a few years left before he hits 40 like fedor is.

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Overeem is right up there. It's very subjective naming the greatest HW fighter of all time.

I think it could be argued over all that Overeem has fought the better/tougher fighters.

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If Cain gets healthy and beats Miocic, he's my pick for best ever.

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Overeem definitely fought some great names but he almost exclusively fought at LHW in Pride he only fought twice and went 1-1 at Hw in the best Hw division.

He had some good fights in Dream and Strikeforce but he took like 3 years to defend his belt only once.He lost to two of the same fighters fedor did and beat a few of the same AFTER fedor beat them.


Overeem while being a perennial contender in the UFC he also has been finished multiple times and simply doesn't have the resume to be a top 5 of all time.



Overeem has fought the bigger names in recent years and had some good success but his good success in one organization doesn't surpass a life time of fights.




Cain while being one of the most dominant Hws of the new school he has been plagued by injury and inactivity he too falls short by a bit.

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Cain imo is higher then Overeem but both are under the Hw GOAT.

Overeems wins in ufc...

Lesnar,Mir,Struve,Nelson,JDS,Arlovski,Hunt

Fedors wins that equal to those wins

Lesnar= Big nog first fight.....fedor was an underdog the majority thought fedor would get owned by grappling much like many thought Lesnar would do to overeem.(major difference is this was for the pride hw title)

Mir =Big nog fight #2 .....fedor tho being the slight favorite big nog like Mir had the decorated ground game,and growing striking to make this a tossup fight.(again for pride hw title)


Struve=Semmy Schilt..,.,fedor beat the original skyscraper who was a much more decorated striker.


Nelson= Kazuyuki Fujita.....brawlers with massive power in their hands and not much else.

JDS=Crocop fight.....High level sprawl and maulers the best pure strikers the division offered but i'd say prime crocop is the deadliest striker in mma history.

Arlovski =Arlovski.....arlovski was a top ranked hw when fedor put him face down in affliction,not sure where he was ranked when overeem beat him.

Hunt=Hunt fedor subd hunt in Pride years before overeem beat him in the ufc.



Fedor also has wins over Randleman,Herring,coleman,and sylvia as well as common wins over Goodridge,rogers.......fedor was first to beat rogers hot off his ko over arlovski....overeem fought rogers for the strikeforce hw title right after fedor knocked him out lol.



Overeem has about as much of a case as mark hunt has claiming to be a beater proven fighter then overeem lol.




Btw since this topic is getting some interest heres my top 10 list of greatest hws for you guys to check out..,,,,would love some feedback


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Fedor Emelianenko 0-UFC wins so yeah I agree, NOT THE G.O.A.T. A Donkey maybe.

And before you throw PRIDE out there....

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The Fedor crushing cans thing is weird to me. Every great fighter has plenty of cans on their record. The point is that he fought and beat top 5 Heavyweights when they were in the top 5. He beat the shit out of Big Nog at a time when people thought he couldn't be beat. He was 19-1-1 when Fedor ran through him. Then when Big Nog rattles off 5 more wins in a row he handles him again. That alone is enough to put him in the conversation imo. Crop Cop in his prime, a juiced up Coleman twice. Andrei Arlovski, Mark Hunt and several other big names when they were considered top 10 fighters. You don't have to call him the GOAT but to disregard him from the conversation is ridiculous.

And you can say what you want about Pride but their roster was much better than the UFC's for many years. There were mismatches and guys taking shit but guys are taking shit now in the UFC. That's been happening forever.

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Roster was great, Rules and drug testing were shit and who knows if fighters where pressured into throwing fights by the Yakuza. "The Natural" is closer to being the G.O.A.T then Fedor. All those guys you mentioned got washed when they came over to the UFC. Cro Crap got worked and destroyed in every fight lol Big Nog was getting worked, etc...

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crocop and big nog came over to ufc not 100% big nog had atleast 3 surgerys in the Ufc,but before his first shoulder surgery he took the Interim UFC hw belt.......a hobbled injured Noguiera did that.Crocop was on the same shape knee and shoulder injurys but still did pretty well.

Another thing not discussed is these guys had to learn new rules,and fight in a different style arena.


Steroids lmfao......not like quite a few ufc hws have been popped.......or brock lesnar was allowed to juice his ass off for the hunt fight right?

Yakuza forcing ppl to throw fights?...you do realize the previous UFC owners were a family tied to las vegas mafia right?



Fedor indeed beat guys when they were top 5,his can fights were always on new years shows they were spectacles meant for flash.He beat the best hws in the toughest division for 10 years while maintaining an undefeated combat sambo career as well.

Cain can't stsy healthy

Jds is new age crocop hit or miss

Stipe is lucky enough to be a younger guy in an old mans division,but still wont hild thst title fir 10 years.


With the new weight classes coming hw will be even more watered down.


Randy is a great of all time but he wouldn't have the same success if he wasnt on TRT for years,Most of his best work came at lhw.His hw credentials are solid but he's not the Goat....,,,in fact randy specifically names fedor the Goat lol.

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