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I hate how mma media trys to segregate mma like anything outside ufc can just be lumped together as minor leagues.



You may hate it...but that's how it is.

The UFC already is the "World Cup of MMA". Holding a UFC belt is more valuable than winning any cross promotional event, or the belt of any other organization.

Sure there are guys in the minors who could easily compete with guys in the UFC, some are even good enough to be title contenders, but if you want to be considered among the best you absolutely have to fight in the UFC. Just the same as when PRIDE was at its peak you couldn't really call yourself the best if you were fighting anywhere but PRIDE.

Why should the UFC even consider taking part in one of these events? They aren't in the business of "furthering the sport" and they aren't just claiming to be the best in the world. There is no argument to be made otherwise, they are unquestionably the best in the world.

Giving a fight with a UFC title holder to guys not even signed to the UFC is a slap in the face to all the guys who have fought their way up the UFC rankings to get into title contention.

This stuff works with feeder organizations, or when there is more than 1 organization at the top, but when 1 organization has already achieved supremacy why would you bother even acknowledging other orgs.

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Posted by FKA

I hate how mma media trys to segregate mma like anything outside ufc can just be lumped together as minor leagues.



You may hate it...but that's how it is.

The UFC already is the "World Cup of MMA". Holding a UFC belt is more valuable than winning any cross promotional event, or the belt of any other organization.

Sure there are guys in the minors who could easily compete with guys in the UFC, some are even good enough to be title contenders, but if you want to be considered among the best you absolutely have to fight in the UFC. Just the same as when PRIDE was at its peak you couldn't really call yourself the best if you were fighting anywhere but PRIDE.

Why should the UFC even consider taking part in one of these events? They aren't in the business of "furthering the sport" and they aren't just claiming to be the best in the world. There is no argument to be made otherwise, they are unquestionably the best in the world.

Giving a fight with a UFC title holder to guys not even signed to the UFC is a slap in the face to all the guys who have fought their way up the UFC rankings to get into title contention.

This stuff works with feeder organizations, or when there is more than 1 organization at the top, but when 1 organization has already achieved supremacy why would you bother even acknowledging other orgs.



This plus the one time the UFC sort of cross promoted with Pride they got screwed.

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If the ufc were the way you say it is....it should literally have nothing but proven best fighters and they clearly don't have that....

They aren't willing to pay all the best in the world to compete in one org....they couldn't afford it...

You could go through the roster and eliminate multitudes of fighters from ufc who dont belong.

You can buy into media hype but i don't....

I realize the ufc has the highest concentration of elite fighters but i also realize that there is a large portion that flat out isn't.The ufc suffers from separatist syndrome they somehow think they can further the entire sport......without including the rest of the sport.....

Ufc could create mega fightcards featuring the best in the world champion vs champion promoting the entire sport and elevating interest globally.....

Or we could see ronda tate 4 or lawler vs hendricks 10 lol.....


I dunno for me personally i haven't seen a real attempt at anything fresh from the ufc in ages....this could do wonders for the sport.......but maybe oversaturation and underwhelming cards is the way to go...

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Hey YO! FKA!

Name just 1 fighter outside the UFC that could beat a UFC Champion.

I didn't think so.

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Hey YO! FKA!

Name just 1 fighter outside the UFC that could beat a UFC Champion.

I didn't think so.




Heard the same shit about strikeforce .....cough cough robbie lawler....

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HW Marcin Tybura,smealino rama
LHW Liam Mcgeary,Stephan Puetz
MW Mamed Khalidov,Brandon Halsey,david branch,michal materla,igor svirid,yoshiyuki nakanashi
WW Ben askren,douglas lima,borys mankowski
LW will brooks,justin gaethje
FWpitbull freire
BWbibiano fernandes,joe warren,marlon moraes.

There are more this is just a quickie to prove my point.

Plus there are more prospects that are on the brink of becoming elite.....


Guys like jacare ,lawler,werdum,josh thompson,gilbert Melendez etc were all lumped together as being un worthy of ufc and in a b league......until those very same people ridiculing them bought strikeforce.....then you seen completely changed comments.

They all could have hypothetically stayed in a b leagur company and still grown into elite fighters.

Fighters should get more respect.....like i said before you cant just lump everything outside ufc together.

Ufc

Bellator,m-1,wsof,ksw,one fc,deep,

Roadfc,pancrase,rfa,legacy,mfc


There are more levels and depth to mma then given credit and its just outright offensive.

Especially with some of these tuf rejects,female fighters,and cm punk lmao.....you can't sleep on these fighters afterall its a fight.....anything can happen.

With all of these upsets and title changes people should see first hand you never know who is next to blow up.


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This is the result of UFCs war against MMA, brain wash people into thinking the UFC is MMA. Failure to acknowledge fighter talent and value outside of the UFC is just a byproduct of lazy analysis which the current MMA climate provides people with because of the UFCs tactics. It's funny when great talent can be seen by some but to most others is nothing but scrubs and cans, that is until they fight in the UFC, then they are legit. No, people with a clue don't think that way, the letters on the glove don't dictate ability despite how brainwashing shepherds opinions. But when it comes to mainstream, people are going to always gravitate to what requires the least of them, if all you know is that MMA is UFC then one can sit comfortably ignorant of all other sources.

There is a legit resentment among the Zuffa horde for any type of acknowledgment for what is good in MMA outside of the UFC because it undermines what many have been conditioned to believe. It happens almost every time someone projects their interest or praise.

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Posted by JLS1980

I'd like to see Bellator vs all Axs TV promotions; RFA, Legacy, CES, and MFC.

But of the Axs Tv fights at this time Legacy and RFA are the top 2.



or Bellator vs WSOF.

If the UFC had a promotional equal it could work there too, but when you're on top there's no reason to help your competition by doing something like this.




Ksw,m-1,Bellator,Wsof all have fighters who could threaten and or beat ufc top ten.

Ufc should do this to further the entire sport......rather then stay secluded while claiming to have the best in the world.

While ufc has the highest volume of elite fighters,there are many guys who could best the top ten,remember strikeforce?

Ufc and idiots all spouted off about how strikeforce guys weren't equal to ufc....now robbie lawler is champ,werdum is challenging for a title and multiple guys are either in title contention or in top 10.

Ufc doesnt do this because they have more to lose if one of their fighters lose to a "b league"fighter.

The ufc does not house only the best actually that statement is laughable lol they house a good portion of interchangeable fighters.

A world cup of mma would be EPIC!

Look at bellators tourneys.....without them guys like frodo khasbulaev wouldn't have as much of a name and wouldn't be seen by north America n audience.

Imagine the stars that could be made.....





Lawler and Werdum were both 'UFC guys' anyway.....

Great point.......




Lawler was tossed aside by ufc and was never given credit for growth in strikeforce until he returned to ufc and did exactly what he did in strikeforce in the ufc.

Robbie was a ufc washout in strikeforce but was a devastating striker with improved wrestling in ufc.....lmao all the way to the belt.

Werdum was a PRIDE guy.....he too was cast aside from ufc after losing to unknown up and comer JDS.

Werdum put on many great fights in strikeforce and beat solid legit competition,even after subing fedor he wasnt given real dues.


Hell lets look at a huge portion of the ufcs hw division including the champion cain Velasquez who all were in strikeforce.....what a bunch of bums right....lmao

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Posted by JLS1980

I'd like to see Bellator vs all Axs TV promotions; RFA, Legacy, CES, and MFC.

But of the Axs Tv fights at this time Legacy and RFA are the top 2.



or Bellator vs WSOF.

If the UFC had a promotional equal it could work there too, but when you're on top there's no reason to help your competition by doing something like this.




Ksw,m-1,Bellator,Wsof all have fighters who could threaten and or beat ufc top ten.

Ufc should do this to further the entire sport......rather then stay secluded while claiming to have the best in the world.

While ufc has the highest volume of elite fighters,there are many guys who could best the top ten,remember strikeforce?

Ufc and idiots all spouted off about how strikeforce guys weren't equal to ufc....now robbie lawler is champ,werdum is challenging for a title and multiple guys are either in title contention or in top 10.

Ufc doesnt do this because they have more to lose if one of their fighters lose to a "b league"fighter.

The ufc does not house only the best actually that statement is laughable lol they house a good portion of interchangeable fighters.

A world cup of mma would be EPIC!

Look at bellators tourneys.....without them guys like frodo khasbulaev wouldn't have as much of a name and wouldn't be seen by north America n audience.

Imagine the stars that could be made.....





Lawler and Werdum were both 'UFC guys' anyway.....

Great point.......




Lawler was tossed aside by ufc and was never given credit for growth in strikeforce until he returned to ufc and did exactly what he did in strikeforce in the ufc.

Robbie was a ufc washout in strikeforce but was a devastating striker with improved wrestling in ufc.....lmao all the way to the belt.

Werdum was a PRIDE guy.....he too was cast aside from ufc after losing to unknown up and comer JDS.

Werdum put on many great fights in strikeforce and beat solid legit competition,even after subing fedor he wasnt given real dues.


Hell lets look at a huge portion of the ufcs hw division including the champion cain Velasquez who all were in strikeforce.....what a bunch of bums right....lmao



How's Strikeforce doing nowadays?

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Posted by JLS1980


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Posted by JLS1980

I'd like to see Bellator vs all Axs TV promotions; RFA, Legacy, CES, and MFC.

But of the Axs Tv fights at this time Legacy and RFA are the top 2.



or Bellator vs WSOF.

If the UFC had a promotional equal it could work there too, but when you're on top there's no reason to help your competition by doing something like this.




Ksw,m-1,Bellator,Wsof all have fighters who could threaten and or beat ufc top ten.

Ufc should do this to further the entire sport......rather then stay secluded while claiming to have the best in the world.

While ufc has the highest volume of elite fighters,there are many guys who could best the top ten,remember strikeforce?

Ufc and idiots all spouted off about how strikeforce guys weren't equal to ufc....now robbie lawler is champ,werdum is challenging for a title and multiple guys are either in title contention or in top 10.

Ufc doesnt do this because they have more to lose if one of their fighters lose to a "b league"fighter.

The ufc does not house only the best actually that statement is laughable lol they house a good portion of interchangeable fighters.

A world cup of mma would be EPIC!

Look at bellators tourneys.....without them guys like frodo khasbulaev wouldn't have as much of a name and wouldn't be seen by north America n audience.

Imagine the stars that could be made.....





Lawler and Werdum were both 'UFC guys' anyway.....

Great point.......




Lawler was tossed aside by ufc and was never given credit for growth in strikeforce until he returned to ufc and did exactly what he did in strikeforce in the ufc.

Robbie was a ufc washout in strikeforce but was a devastating striker with improved wrestling in ufc.....lmao all the way to the belt.

Werdum was a PRIDE guy.....he too was cast aside from ufc after losing to unknown up and comer JDS.

Werdum put on many great fights in strikeforce and beat solid legit competition,even after subing fedor he wasnt given real dues.


Hell lets look at a huge portion of the ufcs hw division including the champion cain Velasquez who all were in strikeforce.....what a bunch of bums right....lmao



How's Strikeforce doing nowadays?



Strikeforce is gone, and them being in business today has no bearing on the discussion at all. or does it? Well, does it? What does is how stupid people are who rate fighters based on the letters on the glove since they all are cut and show their worth before fighting in the UFC. A common act of stupidity among new or uninformed people with an interest in MMA. Right?

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