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Following cancelation of Palhares vs. Fitch, WSOF executive issues warning to fighters

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If I'm Zuffa and I can't afford (or don't want to) pay guys like Fitch, Okami, Shields etc but I don't want them to go to Bellator or OneFC what can I do?

Get a friend to start an org that isn't making money so they can get away with paying them less, or use WSOF to pay them the same wages and just store them there and run the business at a loss so you write of the wages and save taxes. Makes more sense than a super rich influential non-mma fan starting an org to compete with his good friends in a business where failure is assured without those friends help.

Invicta hasn't done a card since early December, and they only did 4 shows last year. How much talent can they produce considering they have to re-build the division from the ground up practically.

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You didn't really answer the question to why these fine folks are spending money that isn't required. That's not something that these type of people tend to do. It wasn't ans existing division...they just started it out of the blue. There is absolutely no need for WSOF to have a women's division. There is no fear of losing SW's to Bellator. Zuffa can poach whoever they want and the overflow goes to Invicta (yes, there will be more events). There's nothing needed beyond that. Absolutely nothing. Zuffa would be stupid to support a second feeder league for a brand new division that has no competition in the market.

Instead of trying to provide the most logical answer, you tried to align your reasoning with something that supported your theory. It's like believing that 9-11 was an inside job and then watching Pocket Change. All of a sudden, your mind is blown. It proves everything that you've been thinking. Everyone that doesn't believe this information are just a bunch of sheep. Of course, if you take a couple of steps back, use some logic, and don't discard information that doesn't support your opinion, then you tend to see things in a different light. If you have a narrow view of the facts, then you'll see the same thing no matter what information is introduced.

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Posted by grappler0000

You didn't really answer the question to why these fine folks are spending money that isn't required. That's not something that these type of people tend to do. It wasn't ans existing division...they just started it out of the blue. There is absolutely no need for WSOF to have a women's division. There is no fear of losing SW's to Bellator. Zuffa can poach whoever they want and the overflow goes to Invicta (yes, there will be more events). There's nothing needed beyond that. Absolutely nothing. Zuffa would be stupid to support a second feeder league for a brand new division that has no competition in the market.

Instead of trying to provide the most logical answer, you tried to align your reasoning with something that supported your theory. It's like believing that 9-11 was an inside job and then watching Pocket Change. All of a sudden, your mind is blown. It proves everything that you've been thinking. Everyone that doesn't believe this information are just a bunch of sheep. Of course, if you take a couple of steps back, use some logic, and don't discard information that doesn't support your opinion, then you tend to see things in a different light. If you have a narrow view of the facts, then you'll see the same thing no matter what information is introduced.



I answered it. Spending money to put on fights is what orgs are required to do. I can't spell it out any clearer than that. All MMA orgs are in competition with each other whether they have the exact same divisions or not. I didn't say every division WSOF started was started to stop prospects from going to Bellator. I guess you think it's just a coincidence that WSOF started a 115lbs division and not a 125lbs division, wouldn't it be better for them to start a division where they wouldn't be competing with the UFC so they could have all the talent? When they signed Jessica Aguilar to fight at 115 in WSOF she said she would not only be queen of WSOF, but UFC soon after. She's pretty much telling us, I'm only in WSOF until the UFC is ready for me, in other words, Zuffa is just storing me in WSOF. It's staring you in the face.

Invicta is not a financially viable product and even if they do more events there won't be enough to produce talent for the TUF 20 finale, even if they sign all the winners at 115lbs from the next two Invicta cards, and then why would Invicta keep focusing on a division where they can't keep any of the talent. they'd just be scouting for Zuffa for free. Zuffa can't just clean them out every time they put on events, and they need more winning 115lbers than Invicta can produce. What's the solution, hey Sig we need talent.

Zuffa has 500 fighters and they need even more for the 115 divison. They don't put on enough events, they have been struggling to build contenders lately because of this, fighters fight twice a year, that's a problem for them.

You're not arguing logically about my points, you're trying to peg me as the type of person who is biased or can't process information properly. Essentially what you're doing is calling me names while using big words, which is the weakest form of argument.

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I'll break it down to the lowest level possible. You claim WSOF are in collusion with the UFC and exist to create an environment for washouts of the UFC to go to, as opposed to going to the enemy, Bellator. There is no competition from Bellator for the women's straweight division. WSOF creating this division competes with the UFC and Invicta. There is already an alternative for fighters with Invicta, so this is a complete waste. Zuffa are bad, bad men and are not going to give charity to fighters when it's not required. That's what this would be doing, which completely goes against what your point of view. Straweights don't have tits made of gold. Why does Zuffa care what happens to these fighters when they are 2 steps removed from the organization? This move makes no sense, if what you are suggesting is true. This would be diluting the division even further, even before the first UFC fight. If you can't see that, then you're looking for a question to your answer, rather than an answer to the question.

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The Rolic/Zuffa connection hasn't been a hard one to see and it's not a new revelation.

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If I owned the UFC, I wouldn't mind if a person I have connections with starts a rival organization. They need at least one organization with sort of legitimate presence in order to avoid the threat of anti-trust actions.

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That conspiracy theory makes some sense but I think they are more just UFC friendly as realistically its next to impossible to overthrow them so why be bitter enemies if its not competitive?

The WSOF exec. said he was pissed people keep asking for releases to join the UFC but more because they refuse to honor their contracts. Like they cut AA but more then likelyhe probably only had one fight left so they seem to have a problem. But if Burkman and Harris had 2-3 fights thats probably where they draw the line. Plus there is no gurantee UFC signs u so why not rack up wins?

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Posted by 40ouncetpkid

That conspiracy theory makes some sense but I think they are more just UFC friendly as realistically its next to impossible to overthrow them so why be bitter enemies if its not competitive?

The WSOF exec. said he was pissed people keep asking for releases to join the UFC but more because they refuse to honor their contracts. Like they cut AA but more then likelyhe probably only had one fight left so they seem to have a problem. But if Burkman and Harris had 2-3 fights thats probably where they draw the line. Plus there is no gurantee UFC signs u so why not rack up wins?



http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/gaming-regulators-reject-former-casino-execs-suitability-request

This article got me interested in the subject. It makes sense that Lorenzo would risk his reputation to show up at Posters hearing, as they are business partners in Fertita Interactive but why was Sig there? He is either good friends with Tim or has an interest in Fertita Interactive. Also interesting that Lorenzo and Frank are currently business partners with a guy who was charged with fraud and has mob connections.

For a lifelong republican like Sig to back a famously corrupt Democrat for Senate majority leader like Harry Reid.. it just reeks of corruption. They're not even trying to cover it up. Who's going to call them out on it (apart from some people on the internet) with no power.

If WSOF know they can't compete with the UFC, and the #2 in America has never made money, then why bother. He's rich and powerful already, he could spend his time better and invest his money in thousands of different and more lucrative ways.

Online Poker Bill


The bill, which allows for the state to enter into interstate compacts, would allow for ten online poker licenses. Each license would cost $10 million and be good for ten years. Any company receiving a license would then have to pay a tax rate of 15% of gross gaming revenue.


Licenses are limited. Fertita Interactive will get one for sure though


The bill also includes a “Bad Actor” clause, which would bar any person or company that accepted wagers after the end of the year 2006, the same year the Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act (UIGEA) passed. PokerStars is currently facing “bad actor” opposition in its attempt to gain entry into California, which is largely regarded as the next state to pass iPoker legislation.


Full tilt and Pokerstars aren't getting licensed, leaving the industry open for the taking. Zuffa can reach the target demographic for free, and they can start advertising as soon as the bill passes.



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Posted by ncordless

If I owned the UFC, I wouldn't mind if a person I have connections with starts a rival organization. They need at least one organization with sort of legitimate presence in order to avoid the threat of anti-trust actions.



Colluding with another organization or even appearing to do so would be the worst thing they could do, if they're worried about anti-trust. I'm not saying it isn't feasible, but for someone with a golden goose, the risk/reward ratio just isn't there for me.

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