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Brazilian Commish likely to still allow Hendo TRT

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The Brazilian MMA commission states that Dan Henderson's therapeutic use exemption for testosterone is likely to be approved, but they remained non-committal on the prospect of following the NSAC's lead in banning TRT outright.

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Post #1   2/27/14 6:55:13PM   

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Yeah, it seems this TRT thing isn't going away anytime soon

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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

Where did you see that? The only 2 TRT users they named were Hendo and Sonnen.

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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

Where did you see that? The only 2 TRT users they named were Hendo and Sonnen.



I'm just trying to read in between the lines here. They can't deny Hendo because if they do, they'll have to deny other fighters like Vitor.

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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

Where did you see that? The only 2 TRT users they named were Hendo and Sonnen.



I'm just trying to read in between the lines here. They can't deny Hendo because if they do, they'll have to deny other fighters like Vitor.



Dude your to much

Its clear you are one of those guys who has a hard on for Belfort.

Stop letting your bias opinion alter what you read in articles.

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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

Where did you see that? The only 2 TRT users they named were Hendo and Sonnen.



I'm just trying to read in between the lines here. They can't deny Hendo because if they do, they'll have to deny other fighters like Vitor.

The commission isn't playing favorites. There's no conspiracy going on to allow Belfort to fight on TRT. And I'd venture to say that even if there were that Dana and company would A) Make it know that any fighter on TRT, regardless of the commissions stance, would be fined and suspended B) Wouldn't schedule a fight for Vitor in the Country of Brazil until the commission changed it's position on the subject.

Plus, if the commission was partial to it's home grown talent, don't you think they would deny Hendo since he's fighting one of the countries most high profile Fighters/Superstars?

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UFC said they'd back the TRT ban, so not sure this even means anything.

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Oh for fucks sake, here we go again...just when I thought it could all be over.

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Posted by prophecy033


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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

Where did you see that? The only 2 TRT users they named were Hendo and Sonnen.



I'm just trying to read in between the lines here. They can't deny Hendo because if they do, they'll have to deny other fighters like Vitor.

The commission isn't playing favorites. There's no conspiracy going on to allow Belfort to fight on TRT. And I'd venture to say that even if there were that Dana and company would A) Make it know that any fighter on TRT, regardless of the commissions stance, would be fined and suspended B) Wouldn't schedule a fight for Vitor in the Country of Brazil until the commission changed it's position on the subject.

Plus, if the commission was partial to it's home grown talent, don't you think they would deny Hendo since he's fighting one of the countries most high profile Fighters/Superstars?



I don't really know anything about the Brazilian commission but...

Belfort is VERY popular in Brazil and the UFC is very popular in Brazil at the moment. Shogun not so much.

The Commissions gets paid based on the size of the event. The bigger the event the more money for the commissions, so they do stand to benefit from MMA's popularity in Brazil, and since MMA's popularity in Brazil is partly dependent on Vitor's success it's natural to assume they want Vitor to win. It's possible they would bend the rules for him.

For example, The CSAC is funded entirely by fee's that they charge promoters who put on events they cover. They get NO money from the actual government. The Promoters pay the commissions. There is good reason for the UFC and the AC's to work together and conspire as they both benefit from each others success, and both have dubious track records when it comes to ethics.

Conspiracies are much more commonplace than we think. A Conspiracy is "an unlawful or unethical plan that is made between two or more people behind closed doors" Since every corporation meet in private to discuss things like "how to make money" and the majority of them are guilty of unethical business practices that means thousands of conspiracies are being put into place daily.

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Lol, they just literally admitted they would like Vitor to keep winning with trt.

Where did you see that? The only 2 TRT users they named were Hendo and Sonnen.



I'm just trying to read in between the lines here. They can't deny Hendo because if they do, they'll have to deny other fighters like Vitor.

The commission isn't playing favorites. There's no conspiracy going on to allow Belfort to fight on TRT. And I'd venture to say that even if there were that Dana and company would A) Make it know that any fighter on TRT, regardless of the commissions stance, would be fined and suspended B) Wouldn't schedule a fight for Vitor in the Country of Brazil until the commission changed it's position on the subject.

Plus, if the commission was partial to it's home grown talent, don't you think they would deny Hendo since he's fighting one of the countries most high profile Fighters/Superstars?



I don't really know anything about the Brazilian commission but...

Belfort is VERY popular in Brazil and the UFC is very popular in Brazil at the moment. Shogun not so much.

The Commissions gets paid based on the size of the event. The bigger the event the more money for the commissions, so they do stand to benefit from MMA's popularity in Brazil, and since MMA's popularity in Brazil is partly dependent on Vitor's success it's natural to assume they want Vitor to win. It's possible they would bend the rules for him.

For example, The CSAC is funded entirely by fee's that they charge promoters who put on events they cover. They get NO money from the actual government. The Promoters pay the commissions. There is good reason for the UFC and the AC's to work together and conspire as they both benefit from each others success, and both have dubious track records when it comes to ethics.

Conspiracies are much more commonplace than we think. A Conspiracy is "an unlawful or unethical plan that is made between two or more people behind closed doors" Since every corporation meet in private to discuss things like "how to make money" and the majority of them are guilty of unethical business practices that means thousands of conspiracies are being put into place daily.

And if the UFC caught wind of them playing those kinda games they would more than likely stop bringing their product to the country. Its the UFC name on the line and the last thing they want is to have something like that associated with them. The UFC pulls out of the country and Brazil makes no money off of them.

And im not convinced that a New Commission is gonna jeopardize themselves to make sure Vitor wins. They're already on thin ice as is being an upstart commission.

Sure, The UFC has done some shady shit but being in bed with the commission is not one that I could ever see happening. No way they're in with them to make sure certain fighters win. That's ludacris.

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I can't imagine the ufc pulling out of brazil. There's a great deal of fighters from brazil and to jeopardize a burgeoning market would be the opposite of making money.

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QUOTE]And if the UFC caught wind of them playing those kinda games they would more than likely stop bringing their product to the country. Its the UFC name on the line and the last thing they want is to have something like that associated with them. The UFC pulls out of the country and Brazil makes no money off of them.

And im not convinced that a New Commission is gonna jeopardize themselves to make sure Vitor wins. They're already on thin ice as is being an upstart commission.

Sure, The UFC has done some shady shit but being in bed with the commission is not one that I could ever see happening. No way they're in with them to make sure certain fighters win. That's ludacris.


Brazil is their second biggest market now, they didn't leave Las Vegas when Kizer was accused of covering up fight-fixing. They won't leave Brazil over some minor corruption, if there even is corruption going on there, and we don't know there is, but if history is an indicator then there most definitely is corruption in every athletic commission.

Zuffa doesn't have a problem aligning themselves with corrupt entities.
The UFC name was on the line when Lorenzo and Frank recently teamed up with long time friend Tim Poster who can't even get a gaming license (despite being former co-owner of the Golden Nugget, a hugely successful casino) because of his association with mobsters. Tim was also denied his license on grounds of hiding evidence from investigators, illegally betting online (insider info or rigged games) and being an agent for an illegal offshore betting site. Zuffa doesn't hide their corruption but they leave little to no evidence behind to incriminate them and they often hire, or bribe people to do their dirty work for them. Poster will be the fall guy if Fertita Interactive ever runs into serious trouble, I base that off how the Xyience scandal went down, and how the company was set-up with CEO who just got out of jail for money laundering. Interestingly enough Sig Rogich, CEO of WSOF was at the Tim Poster hearing also putting his image on the line.

It seems very possible that WSOF was set up by Rogich at the request the Fertitas, so they can work together to bury Bellator and then unite or use WSOF like they used WEC. It's no coincidence Dana is encouraging everyone they don't want to go to the WSOF and bad mouthing Bellator. They work together in unethical but technically legal ways.

Two government committees investigated Zuffa for trying to monopolize the sport and concluded they weren't trying to... I think that's proof enough that they bribe government officials. How else could the committees come to those conclusions?

They had Harry Reid as one of the speakers on the UFC 20th anniversary show. They don't care about associating with corrupt entities. Harry Reid is one of Judicial Watch's 10 most corrupt politicians of 2012. Harry Reid receives financial backing from The Fertita's

Here's an interesting article that will give you an idea of how corrupt Harry Reid is:
http://www.nevadabusiness.com/2012/10/1-3-billion-for-288-jobs-the-failure-of-government-subsidized-renewable-energy-another-reason-why-government-shouldnt-pick-winners-and-losers-in-the-economy/365/

If UFC doesn't like the Brazilian commission and goes against them, that hurts the sports legitimacy and would cause waves in the media which would cause everyone to examine the relationship between Zuffa and the athletic commissions more closely, which is bad news for both. Not to mention if they piss off the Brazilian commission that commission can ruin the UFC by making a mockery of the sport through terrible reffing, or cancelling fights, among other ways. They need to work together. If you rat out your partners, you rat out yourself. If you expose a fellow businessman you expose the business community. They protect each other because theyre one in the same, it's the criminal code.

The UFC and the NSAC have been in bed together for some time now. Zuffa donates large sums of money to the Nevada attorney generals office, and the attorney general oversees the athletic commission. Why would they donate to them when they have so many incompetent or corrupt judges and refs, why wouldn't they instead pressure them to change? You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, that's why.

The UFC turns a blind eye to athletic commission corruption and incompetence because the attorney general's office is responsible for regulating MMA, they can unionize the sport overnight, which would cost Zuffa billions in the long run. Occaisonally Dana chasticizes the NSAC but it's more of a smokescreen to reduce the chances of people making connections between the two. The members of the A.C. serve UFC's needs and they get cushy jobs with Zuffa later. Or they work with organized crime to get paydays for rigging fights. Either way everyone in power is getting paid and happy so they work together to keep a system that benefits them in place.

The athletic commission denied UFC sanctioning (under SEG ownersip) while Lorenzo was on it's board of directors, then Zuffa bought it a month later and even though nothing changed apart from ownership of the company it was all of a sudden sanctioned.... Clearly Lorenzo used his influence to convince the commission not to sanction the sport until he bought it, and then to sanction it for him.

The CEO of WSOF, Sig Rogich is a close childhood friend of Frank and Lorenzo, and he used to run the NSAC. Sid and Harry Reid are good friends. Marc Ratner was on the NSAC at the same time as Lorenzo, and now works for Zuffa as VP of regulatory affairs. Did he vote to sanction mma, why is the vote kept secret? Why did the board members know how they were all going to vote the the night before the vote appened yet no one will say how voted or why?. There is a major conflict of interest going on here. They're all friends, and they all hate Bellator and want to work together.

Why did Dana get so mad when Roy Nelson applied for Kizer's job? Because Nelson isn't corrupt. Dana wanted to discourage anyone from even discussing fighters taking the role. Why wouldn't he want Nelson to have the job?

Enter Joe Barton (R-TX), who is almost always battling Harry Reid on political issues. Now they are working together to pass an online poker bill. Barton has been accused of rigging elections numerous times. Joe's going to get the bill passed and Fertita Interactive is already set up to take over the online gaming market. It's been in the works since 2006 when Full-tilt poker (one of the UFC's biggest sponsors) and the other two big online gaming business' were charged with bank fraud and money laundering, and ordered to re-pay $3 billion. Zuffa can advertise to the male 18-40 demographic for free, and they acquired a company that can do all the computer stuff. It's all set-up and ready to go, they just need the law to be passed. The law is set up so only a handful of people (the fertitas mainly) are in a position to start an online gaming company. Everyone else will have to wait 3 years to start. That's a lot of money and time to invest in something that's still illegal. What do they know? And is it a coincidence that Barton's bill is designed to award the opportunities to Fertita Interactive? I highly doubt it. Zuffa is rewarding Barton in some way, it will all come out sooner or later.

Why should Zuffa be worried about having loose connections to organized crime? Frank and Lorenzo's grandfather married Olivia Maceo, sister of the crime-boss Rosario Maceo who ran an illegal casino in Galveston TX. The two families were close. The Fertita business model passed on to Frank and Lorenzo was partly based off of the Maceo families illegal practices
Zuffa doesn't have a problem aligning themselves with corrupt entities. I have no idea whether or not the Brazilian commission is actually protecting Vitor in anyway or trying to, but it's certainly a possibility and if they don't ban steroid exemptions then it will be a strong possiblity that they're protecting Vitor, imo.

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