Chuck's mental state and Rashad's wrestling |
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Frank Mir = Miracle Man
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the few people who think that Rashad is going to defeat Chuck on Saturday rationalize their point of view by saying that Rashad will be able to take advantage of Chuck's mental state and that Chuck is looking past Rashad. well, i just find this to be crazy. Chuck is fine, he had back to back losses and then he bounced back with a very impressive performance against Wandy. if defeating Wandy doesn't show that you are back, i don't know what can. Chuck has stated he is not overlooking Rashad and i would think he has learned his lesson after the Jardine fight. do you guys really believe he will make the same mistake against a guy form Jardine's camp? i don't think so. Chuck will be 100% ready to fight Rashad and i don't think pre-fight intangibles will effect this fight at all.
another argument people make for Rashad is that his wrestling ability will allow him to take Chuck down. well, that is just preposterous. Rashad isn't even that good of a wrestler. he had a very average wrestling career at Michigan State. i think he was somewhere around a .500 record, which is by no means insignificant but it doesn't mean you are a phenomenal wrestler either. Chuck has faced Randy Couture, an Olympic level wrestler and a D-I All-American who placed 2nd in the D-I Championships, Tito Ortiz, an accomplished submission wrestler who placed 3rd at the ADCC and a State Junior Champion in college, and Babalu, a Brazilian national wrestling champion. Chuck has been able to keep the fight on the feet against all of those fighters (excluding the first randy fight...the other 2 he was able to keep it standing). if Chuck was able to avoid the take down from those fighters, then how can you expect a .500 wrestler form Michigan State to take him down? i just don't get it.
No matter how you break this fight down, it is apparent that Chuck will win this fight...i don't understand how people see otherwise.
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Post #1 9/2/08 8:42:13PM
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The MOD Hatter
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I totally agree... same time people like picking the under dog but I think this dogs chances are slim very very slim.
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Post #2 9/2/08 8:45:56PM
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Bowen50
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Rashad doesn't stand a chance. chuck round 2 KO
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Post #3 9/2/08 8:50:59PM
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Have it!!!
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I think alot of the people picking against chuck are picking against him becouse they dont like him, not becouse they rationally think he is going to loose.
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Post #4 9/2/08 9:17:56PM
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dannyfrank
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yeah, i honestly havent been able to figure out why people think he is gonna loose either
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Post #5 9/2/08 9:24:27PM
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MFOTHER
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if you really believe thats true, which is hard to do, you also hav to assume thats why he lost to jardine. im pretty sure he's not gonna do that twice
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Post #6 9/2/08 9:24:52PM
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AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
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jj freak, you just love getting propped dont you
edit: gotta spread the love
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Post #7 9/2/08 10:33:53PM
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Frank Mir = Miracle Man
Career record: 153-84
Season: 69-31 (#170)
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Posted by AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
jj freak, you just love getting propped dont you
edit: gotta spread the love
yes, yes i do 
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Post #8 9/2/08 10:52:00PM
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RedCloud
MMA Regular
Career record: 126-82
Season: 46-33 (#3412)
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That made so much sense.
He's a Legend for a reason. Rampage and Jardin are an exception to the rule.
(Forrest and Houston are an exception to thier rule ...etc;)
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Post #9 9/2/08 11:03:17PM
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Cdellorso
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1st tried to prop u JJfreak- but must spread the love-
so I propped andersodsilvadude instead-
Lets look at tito vs chuck- lets look at Tito VS Rashaaad-
I am a wrestling fan- I am a Michigan/michigan state fan ( I reside here in MI-
I dont think Rashaad will win- I do hope he fools me as my fight camp thinks he is SOOO boring they want him gone....
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Post #10 9/2/08 11:48:24PM
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The_Ho_Bag
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thank you nick =) thank you =)
honestly i dont think rashad is that really good? he hasnt fought any one next to tito who imo would of lost to tito if tito didnt hold the fence ohter then that, KOed salmon oh man but who hasnt?
the gihts going to stand on the feet and chuck wins Via KO 2nd round maybe even 1st
-Gotta spread the love- but your my boy so i prop u the moment i can =)
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Post #11 9/3/08 6:22:56AM
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mkiv9secsupra
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Chuck has faced Randy Couture, an Olympic level wrestler and a D-I All-American who placed 2nd in the D-I Championships, Tito Ortiz, an accomplished submission wrestler who placed 3rd at the ADCC and a State Junior Champion in college, and Babalu, a Brazilian national wrestling champion.
dont forget Randleman (2x collegiate champion and 2x the wrestler Evans is) and Monson(ADCC Champion)....
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Post #12 9/3/08 7:47:21AM
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jomatty
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rashad is a tailor made opponent for chuck liddel. thats why he is in there fighting. it bolsters chuck up for his next big ppv headling fight, hopefully in a more intrigiung matchup. the ufc wants chuck in another title/marquee matchup and rashad is the sort of guy to get him there. he is a very legitimate lhw he is just a very good matchup if you are chuck liddel. the ufc wants chuck to win and this fight is a perfect way for him to do so. the guy who most closely resembles rashad is tito and we have all seen what happens when chuck fights him...actually with very similar styles tito got the better of rashad so it is hard to see how rashad would get past chuck. if rashad manages to last two rounds he should consider it a moral victory and if he somehow forces it to decision then he should be applauded.
my dark horse predicition for this fight is that chuck takes rashad down...
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Post #13 9/3/08 9:13:23AM
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NatedawgThaM
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I definitely think Chuck is in a good mental state for this fight. I would doubt it if he never got that injury and fought Rashad back at 85. But he hasn't fought in awhile and he's hungry for a title shot so I think he knows he's got to be impressive against Rashad so nobody thinks age is taking a toll on him. I personally have him winning a decision but if he finished Rashad I think he would come off a lot more of a threat when he fights Forrest next since he hasn't finished anybody in awhile and Forrest has a good gameplan everytime and can squeeze a decision out on Chuck, Chuck just needs to finish Rashad so nobody doubts his ability to KO Forrest.
Rashad's wrestling I don't even think is a factor. Randy/Tito/Randleman are definitely a lot better wrestlers then Rashad and Chuck tooled them pretty bad except the 1st time with Randy. Rashad will only win this fight if he uses accurate kickboxing like Jardine. He has a lot better chance to beat Chuck then Jardine did stylistically. He's faster then Jardine and not as easy to hit. Chuck proven leg kicks have been a weakness for him so Rashad should follow Jardines plan and kick him all night but throw those kicks at the end of stick in move 1,2 combo's since Rashad's faster then Chuck IMO and his boxing could be a good factor.
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Post #14 9/3/08 2:16:47PM
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Kastro
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
the few people who think that Rashad is going to defeat Chuck on Saturday rationalize their point of view by saying that Rashad will be able to take advantage of Chuck's mental state and that Chuck is looking past Rashad. well, i just find this to be crazy. Chuck is fine, he had back to back losses and then he bounced back with a very impressive performance against Wandy. if defeating Wandy doesn't show that you are back, i don't know what can. Chuck has stated he is not overlooking Rashad and i would think he has learned his lesson after the Jardine fight. do you guys really believe he will make the same mistake against a guy form Jardine's camp? i don't think so. Chuck will be 100% ready to fight Rashad and i don't think pre-fight intangibles will effect this fight at all.
another argument people make for Rashad is that his wrestling ability will allow him to take Chuck down. well, that is just preposterous. Rashad isn't even that good of a wrestler. he had a very average wrestling career at Michigan State. i think he was somewhere around a .500 record, which is by no means insignificant but it doesn't mean you are a phenomenal wrestler either. Chuck has faced Randy Couture, an Olympic level wrestler and a D-I All-American who placed 2nd in the D-I Championships, Tito Ortiz, an accomplished submission wrestler who placed 3rd at the ADCC and a State Junior Champion in college, and Babalu, a Brazilian national wrestling champion. Chuck has been able to keep the fight on the feet against all of those fighters (excluding the first randy fight...the other 2 he was able to keep it standing). if Chuck was able to avoid the take down from those fighters, then how can you expect a .500 wrestler form Michigan State to take him down? i just don't get it.
No matter how you break this fight down, it is apparent that Chuck will win this fight...i don't understand how people see otherwise.
Very well said!!
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