‘The Spider' Tops Fedor in Sherdog P4P Rankings

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CornishMMA
10/25/07 8:32:58AM
An incredible run by UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva combined with a long period of inactivity by Russian heavyweight stalwart has resulted in a shake up at the top of Sherdog.com's Pound-For-Pound mixed martial arts rankings.

1) Anderson Silva
2) Quinton Jackson
3) Fedor Emelianenko
4) Gilbert Melendez
5) Dan Henderson
6) Takanori Gomi
7) Shinya Aoki
8) Sean Sherk
9) Norifumi Yamamoto
10) Randy Couture

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roman
10/25/07 9:08:18AM
I just don't like this.How could he be the best pound for pound fighter when he hasn't beat four out of the five best miidleweights? Am I wrong here?
Rich78
10/25/07 9:16:10AM
I wouldn't say you're wrong, it's just a different perspective on it.

While I would agree that no, he hasn't beaten four out of the 5 best middleweights, nobody else, in any weight, has beaten these equivalent fighters lately, in their respective weight classes either. At least he has been consistently fighting, and winning 'recently', which can't be said for many others.

Like I said though, there is no right and wrong to rankings, it's all down to opinions, which, as the ever popular mmaweekly ranking threads have taught us, people will NEVER EVER agree on.
ohiostate1016
10/25/07 9:25:59AM
I agree that Fedor shouldn't be no. 1, but that list is rediculous.

First of all, where is GSP? I actually have him at number one. How can you not have him at least in the top ten?

Second, Randy Couture is retired. How can he still be in the top ten?

I agree that you could have Melendez above Gomi and Sherk, but not at number 4 overall. Sherk should not be in the top 10. He's waaaaay overrated.

Other than that, it's a decent list.

silverbullet
10/25/07 10:12:33AM
Sherk, and Couture should not be on that list IMO.

BJ Penn, and GSP are top 10 P4P

Kdub
10/25/07 10:13:15AM
How is Sherk overated? He is probably the best LW fighter in the world. His work ethic is better than any MMA fighter in the game. His only 2 losses are to the best pound for pound fighter in the world GSP and the other loss is to Hughes. In which he brought Hughes the distance and won a couple rounds. He deserves to be in the top 10 PFP. At LW I don't think there is a fighter who can beat him (even Penn).

I know its tough to compare fights but Diaz killed Gomi and Sherk dominated Diaz. Don't be pissed because he has a wrestler style of fighting. He is as dominate as any fighter at his division.
Focker101
10/25/07 10:16:04AM
you know I think Jackson is a gifted and extremely entertaining fighter but Pound for Pound the second best fighter in the world come on
lets see how he does against a healthy Rua or Wanderlei
when he beats them then I can see top 2
until then I think somewhere around 5 or 6

and yeah GSP got caught and now he doesn't even make the list

crazy
brooklynbadass
10/25/07 10:49:11AM

Posted by Rich78

I wouldn't say you're wrong, it's just a different perspective on it.

While I would agree that no, he hasn't beaten four out of the 5 best middleweights, nobody else, in any weight, has beaten these equivalent fighters lately, in their respective weight classes either. At least he has been consistently fighting, and winning 'recently', which can't be said for many others.

Like I said though, there is no right and wrong to rankings, it's all down to opinions, which, as the ever popular mmaweekly ranking threads have taught us, people will NEVER EVER agree on.





I think you also have to factor in that his wins have been in a DOMINATING fashion and there is no immediate challenger that has a chance of beating him.
tuvok500
10/25/07 10:50:39AM
i agree about Anderson Silva on top, the main reason is probably his devasteting style !!

but, GSP should be second !!

if Dan herderson has his place even after a lost , well, i would argue that GSP should be there too !!!

silverbullet
10/25/07 11:04:34AM

Posted by Kdub

How is Sherk overated? He is probably the best LW fighter in the world. His work ethic is better than any MMA fighter in the game. His only 2 losses are to the best pound for pound fighter in the world GSP and the other loss is to Hughes. In which he brought Hughes the distance and won a couple rounds. He deserves to be in the top 10 PFP. At LW I don't think there is a fighter who can beat him (even Penn).

I know its tough to compare fights but Diaz killed Gomi and Sherk dominated Diaz. Don't be pissed because he has a wrestler style of fighting. He is as dominate as any fighter at his division.



What work ethic are you talking about?! The guy just lost his belt for steroid abuse. You have to be freaking kidding me.

BJ Penn destroyed Hughes, and Hughes beat Sherk, so Penn would destroy Sherk. Sherk has no real stand-up to speak of, and his submissions are so so. He relies primarily on his wrestling ability. Now can you explain to me how he is a top fighter in the world, when his game is all 1D?
roman
10/25/07 11:05:21AM
I think Rampage should be number one after KOing Liddell and winning the descision over Hendo.
TNunley
10/25/07 11:09:39AM
That list is rediculous... and judging from just looking at it... they have absolutely no credibility when it comes to any fighter rankings with how poorly that is put together.

GSP IMO is #1, no question. Silva is great, and he has destroyed the MW division, but GSP has destroyed a very stacked division. Not to mention DESTROYING one of the most dominant champs of all time.

They don't have BJ Penn anywhere on the list, and they have Rampage as #2???? Don't get me wrong Page is an amazing fighter... but I don't see him as #2 P4P in the world.

Ordep
10/25/07 11:18:52AM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by Kdub

How is Sherk overated? He is probably the best LW fighter in the world. His work ethic is better than any MMA fighter in the game. His only 2 losses are to the best pound for pound fighter in the world GSP and the other loss is to Hughes. In which he brought Hughes the distance and won a couple rounds. He deserves to be in the top 10 PFP. At LW I don't think there is a fighter who can beat him (even Penn).

I know its tough to compare fights but Diaz killed Gomi and Sherk dominated Diaz. Don't be pissed because he has a wrestler style of fighting. He is as dominate as any fighter at his division.



What work ethic are you talking about?! The guy just lost his belt for steroid abuse. You have to be freaking kidding me.

BJ Penn destroyed Hughes, and Hughes beat Sherk, so Penn would destroy Sherk. Sherk has no real stand-up to speak of, and his submissions are so so. He relies primarily on his wrestling ability. Now can you explain to me how he is a top fighter in the world, when his game is all 1D?



Work ethics? or you meant JUICE ethics?
looks like he forgot to clean himself before the tests last time...ooopss.
by the way, it's not the best LW fighter in the world is the most boring one.
crushedbacon
10/25/07 11:27:27AM
Big deal everybody will beat liddell from here out......Shouldn't Shoguns name be talked about here. He destroyed rampage! After that he beat Big Nog, in the 2005 GP middleweight tourney. Then walked through Overeem and Arona on his way to the Tourney win. Blah, blah, blah he lost to Forrest. That wasn't shogun fighting, I dont know what the hell that was but the real deal will be back.....

This list is boarder line retarded, Most people have already commented on the extreme lack of respect for GSP, which is great. Any top 10 P4P list without him is discredited immediately by me.
1. Fedor
2. GSp
3. Shogun

wrona666
10/25/07 11:30:56AM
Whomever made this list must have just pulled names from a hat because it is rediculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mikevolz
10/25/07 11:37:11AM
i dont see how jackson is up there... in my mind when i look at p4p i think of smaller people in the weight class, or people who fight up a weight class.

jackson is a huge light heavyweight, and bigger than a lot of heavyweights, i wouldnt put him up there.

i have urijah faber up there. because he always fights up in weight, and his only loss is to tyson griffen.

i think the top 3 would be fedor, anderson silva, and hendo in no particular order. all 3 could be argued in the top spot.

and explain to me how wanderlei isnt on there but gomi is?
gomi looked terrible against diaz, if it was a 10 minute round, diaz would of finished him there, but instead he got caught in a gogoplata....

wanderlei is on an 0-2 run, but would constantly move up to fight heavier opponents, (2 fights against cro cop, split loss to mark hunt) if he beats liddell, i see him staying at one of the lower end spots for a while, but if he looses i think he should be dropped completely.
CornishMMA
10/25/07 11:48:59AM
I have no idea why GSP isnt in there, and he may be the best BJJ guy in MMA but Aoki should not be there, BJ needs to be its as simple as that - tho he should have fought more often of late, and Randy isnt retired he just resigned - he is a good #10 in that list i think
crushedbacon
10/25/07 12:04:50PM
After GSP roles through which ever of the "Matt " dummies wins in December. I hope he takes it up a notch. He will dominate the welter weight div., so I hope he moves up a weight class and whoops Silva's ass. Imagine that as a headliner for a PPV....... beats the hell out of Evans vs Bisbing!
twoguns365
10/25/07 12:40:45PM

Posted by silverbullet

BJ Penn destroyed Hughes, and Hughes beat Sherk, so Penn would destroy Sherk.



So, Serra beats GSP, and GSP beat Penn and Hughes, so according to that, Serra beats Hughes and Penn?

and Riggs beat Diaz, Diaz beat Gomi, so Riggs would beat Gomi?
CornishMMA
10/25/07 12:52:14PM

Posted by twoguns365


Posted by silverbullet

BJ Penn destroyed Hughes, and Hughes beat Sherk, so Penn would destroy Sherk.



So, Serra beats GSP, and GSP beat Penn and Hughes, so according to that, Serra beats Hughes and Penn?

and Riggs beat Diaz, Diaz beat Gomi, so Riggs would beat Gomi?


LOL at using stupid fight math (MMAth) to dismiss the idea, lets carry it on -

Santiago beat Horn who beat Chuck = Jorge Santiago would beat Chuck
Royce beat Sakuraba who beat Rampage = Royce would beat Rampage
THE BEST ONE - Randy beat TK who beat Fedor = Randy would beat Fedor
MMA0922
10/25/07 1:16:54PM
hahaha this is just nuts,
all of you are picking those guys cause those are you personals favorite fighters, thats all

GSP? , with what a win against Kosheck ? and a lost against Serra?
Shogun?, with a really disapointing fight with forrest?

the guy that wrote that Jackson shoulndt be in the second place, you're a should chuck's lover!!!, Jackson beat the UFC champion and the Pride Champion, why he doesnt should be there?

Anderson Silva?, why not,,, he was prove that he is the Top MW in the world, other that than Henderson... there's not other real challenge for him.

Randy Couture, retired? is that what you're wating for? he doesnt want to be in the UFC, but i dont see why he you're saying he shoulnt be in the Ranks ...

you people are just crazy, and if you people havent noticed, you can Rank the figthers you like in here... so dont complain... thats the only thing you do, and they are better at it.
Sam_Rothstein
10/25/07 1:44:37PM
Anderson Silva #1 p4p???

I think silva is great and he is a dominant middleweight champ in the ufc but im not so sure about #1 pound for pound

maybe I just have that daiju takase submission still in my head but i dont agree with that at all


i would of really liked to see gsp and bj penn on the top 10 as well
D0wnUnd6e6r
10/25/07 2:24:25PM
yeah man bj, gsp, what the hell sherdog. I do understand tho fedor not being on top like come on it's been a while, and now going with m-1...i'm ok with fedor not being on top,and silva's actually at my #1 too so I guess I can't argue much with that lol. But Gsp on the other hand is my #2 so well yeah whatthefuxup? lol
Manak
10/25/07 3:09:27PM
for the looks of it the top ranked (#1,2) guys are bein basted on wht they have done lately, anderson has been rapin ppl in the cage, rampage beat chuck, the guy that was up there for awhile, then beat hendo, it's not what all these guys did in the past its what they r doin now but the rest of the list i dk how they got that so i do ???? and y they did leave some big guns out mainly GSP. bj is 2-3 since comin back with a win only over jens, shougn hadnt fought inwhile till he lost to forrest, wand is comin of 2 ko loses but alot of those others guys have lot recently too, so after 1 & 2 i dk how they came up those
ocho-cinco
10/25/07 3:26:17PM
I can't respect a best pound for pound list that doesn't include GSP.
puppetmaster837
10/25/07 6:30:07PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by Kdub

How is Sherk overated? He is probably the best LW fighter in the world. His work ethic is better than any MMA fighter in the game. His only 2 losses are to the best pound for pound fighter in the world GSP and the other loss is to Hughes. In which he brought Hughes the distance and won a couple rounds. He deserves to be in the top 10 PFP. At LW I don't think there is a fighter who can beat him (even Penn).

I know its tough to compare fights but Diaz killed Gomi and Sherk dominated Diaz. Don't be pissed because he has a wrestler style of fighting. He is as dominate as any fighter at his division.



What work ethic are you talking about?! The guy just lost his belt for steroid abuse. You have to be freaking kidding me.

BJ Penn destroyed Hughes, and Hughes beat Sherk, so Penn would destroy Sherk. Sherk has no real stand-up to speak of, and his submissions are so so. He relies primarily on his wrestling ability. Now can you explain to me how he is a top fighter in the world, when his game is all 1D?

Does Chuck not rely primarily on his striking to win fights? The reason Sherk can be a top fighter in the world by being so 1-dimensional is that his one dimension is so dominant that he can make other people who are multi dimensional look like cans. He fights at lightweight and beat Karo who is a top welterweight 3x, that sounds like a pretty good fighter.
cmill21
10/25/07 6:57:08PM

Posted by Kdub

How is Sherk overated? He is probably the best LW fighter in the world. His work ethic is better than any MMA fighter in the game. His only 2 losses are to the best pound for pound fighter in the world GSP and the other loss is to Hughes. In which he brought Hughes the distance and won a couple rounds. He deserves to be in the top 10 PFP. At LW I don't think there is a fighter who can beat him (even Penn).

I know its tough to compare fights but Diaz killed Gomi and Sherk dominated Diaz. Don't be pissed because he has a wrestler style of fighting. He is as dominate as any fighter at his division.



You do know he's fought twice at LW hey? Also he's on suspension for steroids so....
iwannabesedated
10/25/07 7:01:32PM
Ive had Anderson number 1 for awhile now.So this isnt a surprise to me.
StevieC
11/13/07 2:56:29PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by Kdub

How is Sherk overated? He is probably the best LW fighter in the world. His work ethic is better than any MMA fighter in the game. His only 2 losses are to the best pound for pound fighter in the world GSP and the other loss is to Hughes. In which he brought Hughes the distance and won a couple rounds. He deserves to be in the top 10 PFP. At LW I don't think there is a fighter who can beat him (even Penn).

I know its tough to compare fights but Diaz killed Gomi and Sherk dominated Diaz. Don't be pissed because he has a wrestler style of fighting. He is as dominate as any fighter at his division.



What work ethic are you talking about?! The guy just lost his belt for steroid abuse. You have to be freaking kidding me.

BJ Penn destroyed Hughes, and Hughes beat Sherk, so Penn would destroy Sherk. Sherk has no real stand-up to speak of, and his submissions are so so. He relies primarily on his wrestling ability. Now can you explain to me how he is a top fighter in the world, when his game is all 1D?




What kind of logic is that? Penn beat Hughes and Hughes beat Sherk therefore Penn beats Sherk? I hope you don't pick fights on thoses basis. Then your saying Yushion Okami can beat any MW becasue he beat Anderson Silva once(I know it was a DQ but a win is a win).

Sherk passed a lie detector tests saying he had no knowledge that he took steriods, and they found a steriod suppliment in his X-ience suppliments. Which is takin by many UFC fightors. So as far as I am concerned Sherk is innocent. Even if the comission finds him guilty.

O, and for the record, Sherk would beat Penn, Penn would gas by the 3rd and no way he will knock Sherk out or even submit him in the first two rounds...

Plus, Penn hasn't shown me anything lately getting smoked in 06' by Hughes and GSP and beating and over the hill Pulver this year means not so much. Sherk beat Diaz and Florian(two of the top 10 LW) in 06' and dominated Franca(who is just as good if not better than Pulver)....
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