Sorry Brock, Rankings Are A Big Pile Of BS

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DCRage
5/3/10 6:57:25AM
That's the World's Strongest Opinion on them coming from the World's Strongest Man-Mariusz Pudzianowski. "This whole MMA ranking stuff is a big pile of B.S. Everybody is in such love with Brock Lesnar, who came from nothing, zero MMA experience, and now he's considered one of the best? He fought only five times and is now considered Mr. Untouchable? Why not me then? Nobody knows how hard I'm preparing myself. I'm training with the best Polish wrestlers; these are top guys. It's easy to do when you're not fighting for money - I'm already a very wealthy guy with a secured future - but for the love and new challenge, and always for my fans, here in Poland and abroad. I would never, repeat never, start fighting in MMA if I didn't believe I could be the best. First Kawaguchi, then Sylvia - sorry guys, you are in my way." Kawaguchi is current DEEP Megaton (Heavyweight/Super Heavyweight) Champion Yusuke Kawaguchi, who Pudz is preparing to face before Sylvia.

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icantthinkofanything
5/3/10 7:55:42AM
There is not a lot of fighters, so its easy to rise up in a young sport, especially if your a wrestler like Brock imo.
Sir_Karl
5/3/10 8:57:11AM
I am not a fan of Lesnar...but in his defense I will say that he has beaten Herring, Couture and Mir. 2 of them are former UFC champs and Herring has always been one of the top 10 HWs in the world. Sure he only has 5 fights...but look who he has beat! Brock is the UFC HW champ and he has beaten some of the best. I think the rankings in MMA are BS...but not for the same reason as this mouthy clown does. I rank Lesnar number 2 right behind Fedor...as most people do. I have been a fan of the sport since Nov 1993. Who the hell does this guy think he is? He obviously has a right to an opinion...even though it is a ridiculous opinion. You gotta love these people (fans and fighters) who are new to the sport and run their mouths like they know something about it.
bjj1605
5/3/10 9:16:11AM

Posted by Sir_Karl

I am not a fan of Lesnar...but in his defense I will say that he has beaten Herring, Couture and Mir. 2 of them are former UFC champs and Herring has always been one of the top 10 HWs in the world. Sure he only has 5 fights...but look who he has beat! Brock is the UFC HW champ and he has beaten some of the best. I think the rankings in MMA are BS...but not for the same reason as this mouthy clown does. I rank Lesnar number 2 right behind Fedor...as most people do. I have been a fan of the sport since Nov 1993. Who the hell does this guy think he is? He obviously has a right to an opinion...even though it is a ridiculous opinion. You gotta love these people (fans and fighters) who are new to the sport and run their mouths like they know something about it.



I always say.... the thing about opinions is--everybody has one but only a few are worth a damn.

I'd rather not hear this guys opinion.

Brock took the strap from the guy who took it from the guy before him. Then he defended it from Mir (the Interim Champ and his most dangerous challenger at the time). He's definitely the Champ and he's definitely one of the best.
GSPwnzore
5/3/10 10:22:40AM
Just gonna put this out there, even though Brock is strong, he would feel weak compared to mariusz. He is probably the strongest guy on the planet...
grappler0000
5/3/10 10:50:06AM

Posted by GSPwnzore

Just gonna put this out there, even though Brock is strong, he would feel weak compared to mariusz. He is probably the strongest guy on the planet...



There are different kinds of strengths. He could no doubt lift more cars than Brock, but he is lacking in the grappling strength that Brock possesses. So, relative to fighting, his strength doesn't really mean nearly as much.
SmileR
5/3/10 12:01:55PM
Pudzianowski is running his mouth a hell of a lot recently. I watched his first fight a few weeks ago and the dude has no technique at all.
If he fought Brock he'd run into one of his cannon punches and wake up wishing he was back lifting cars and barrels.

He's got the whole "I'm huge so I could take on the world" thing going. I'v seen freakishly strong men try to box and it never works out well. They come in with all the confidence in the world and leave humbled and embarrassed.
Pudzianowski needs to realize Brock is a world class wrestler and has decent boxing to go with his strength, speed and power.
All Pudzianowski's got is power and a attitude that will get him KO'd the second he steps up in competition.
Caesarrrr
5/3/10 12:36:17PM
It's nice that Pudz says this, because that's what people will say about him if he get's into the ufc after Sylvia. They're in the same situation. You think Brock needs money? doubt it.

Pudz can say that Brock's overrated all he wants, it won't mean a thing until Pudz beats Brock. Certainly not before he beats someone that's Top 10. Neither Sylvia nor his other opponent(forgot the name, apologies) are top 10, or even close.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/3/10 4:35:09PM
While I don't agree with him running his mouth, I am interested to see what Pudz can do with his massive size and power.
EliasG
5/3/10 6:15:16PM
He's really really strong and he's pretty explosive. I would say the best way to fight h im is to get in to round 2.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/3/10 6:36:02PM
I would venture to guess that Pudzianowski has to have some amazing conditioning. Who really knows if getting him to round 2 will give anyone a significant advantage over him. Those WSM competitions are no joke. He's a phenomenal athlete. I think it may be just a little late in the game for him to be picking up MMA, though. Hey, I'd watch him fight if they threw it on a card. If nothing else to see what would happen when his fist meets a face.
Caesarrrr
5/3/10 7:48:28PM
I've watched his first fight, it reminded me of the old school heavyweight mma fighters, where they threw wild punches and just swung for the fences. No technique whatsoever.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/3/10 8:16:11PM
Yeah, there wasn't a lot of technique against Najman but he had a lot of power behind those leg-kicks. I don't know how long it would take him to refine some technique but good lord.
runningman08
5/3/10 9:18:31PM
There is Strength and then there is Wrestling strength. I have no doubt that Brock could throw him around the cage. Along with Brock's wrestling comes agility.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/3/10 9:26:05PM
Oh, I don't think Marius is even close to being ready for anything like UFC competition. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Lesnar right now. I was talking about smaller promotions for Marius.
Pookie
5/3/10 9:41:02PM

Posted by runningman08

There is Strength and then there is Wrestling strength. I have no doubt that Brock could throw him around the cage. Along with Brock's wrestling comes agility.



Im on the other bandwagon on that topic. I think in no way could brock throw him around. Pin him against the cage and wrestle him to the ground, sure, but throw him or manhandle him in any way? No. Even without wrestling strength, that guy has more man strength than basically anyone in the world. Plus 30-40 pounds of muscle on Lesnar.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/3/10 10:38:07PM
Pretty much, the problem will lie in the fact that Marius has little to no technique in his game. I can't even see a man of Brock's size being able to ragdoll Marius. He makes Brock look small. I'm pretty sure Marius could bearhug Brock into submission. (okay, hyperbolic statement)
prozacnation1978
5/3/10 10:43:33PM
just another guy talking crap like toney
i hope lil timmy stomps him
sbulldavid
5/3/10 11:52:26PM
Timmy is a solid test, but I think Timmy is going to get his leg broken. If Mariusz keeps his hands up there is nothing Timmy can do to that would hurt him. It is a difficult task to overcome somebody that is twice as strong and explosive. His technique is not so good that I can't see him getting knocked out, but if Mariusz comes and fights smart and learns some defense, he should have no trouble with
Sylvia.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/4/10 2:53:25AM
Timmy has also developed "glassjawitis" if one of those bricks hits him I see Timmy going to sleep.
grappler0000
5/4/10 2:15:45PM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by runningman08

There is Strength and then there is Wrestling strength. I have no doubt that Brock could throw him around the cage. Along with Brock's wrestling comes agility.



Im on the other bandwagon on that topic. I think in no way could brock throw him around. Pin him against the cage and wrestle him to the ground, sure, but throw him or manhandle him in any way? No. Even without wrestling strength, that guy has more man strength than basically anyone in the world. Plus 30-40 pounds of muscle on Lesnar.



IDK, I think Brock would actually manhandle him. If Brock was lesser of a wrestler, I'd maybe agree, but he's top of the food chain. Every year in HS, we'd get a few meatheads join the wrestling team. The ones who needed a reality check got served to our 103 pounder. Even if they played other sports and outweighed him by a hundred pounds or more, they never had the balance or agility (or strength for that matter) to stop the beating of a lifetime. They would get ragdolled and never show up again. I've watched steroid freaks get tossed around by much smaller, talented men in wrestling. If you don't know how and when to shift your weight, you're gonna get tossed on your head...no matter how big you are. And since he's not accustomed to grappling, he'd tire from it rather quickly...and the beating would only get worse.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/4/10 7:20:08PM
There's a difference between the strongest man in the world and a roided out jock or bully.
grappler0000
5/4/10 8:10:38PM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

There's a difference between the strongest man in the world and a roided out jock or bully.



There's also a big difference between a 103 pounder and Brock. It was an analogy. The point is I've seen people with a larger disparity in size and strength have the results that I've described...and then you look at an ever larger disparity of wrestling ability, it looks even worse for Mariusz.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/4/10 8:33:48PM
Yes, but obviously Marius knows how to shift his weight I'm sure he has to do it all the time in his various different competitions. It's not just a bulk of mass.
grappler0000
5/4/10 8:42:51PM
It's completely different. There's no strong man feat can prepare you for that.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/4/10 8:45:24PM
I guess they could just fight and we can find out.
grappler0000
5/4/10 8:54:15PM
Haha, yeah that'd be one way. I'm not always a fan of freak show fights, but I'd watch that one.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/5/10 7:16:48AM
It's like a car wreck...you know it's gonna be ugly but you can't help but watch.
AchillesHeel
5/5/10 9:25:22AM
Superior technique beats superior physical tools (almost) every time. I remember watching the USA rugby team playing the French a few years ago; the Americans were visibly bigger in the scrum, but the French shoved them around the field like tackling dummies. Wrestling is like rugby, in that there's more skill involved than most people realize until they get in there and try it. Both sports are also more tiring than most people realize. I imagine that many of the American ruggers grew up playing American football. Power-lifting and football, compared to wrestling and rugby, use bursts of power followed by rest periods. There's no resting in wrestling or rugby.
slapshot
5/5/10 4:08:45PM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

It's like a car wreck...you know it's gonna be ugly but you can't help but watch.



I know you're new to combat sports but some things bare pointing out.

A. Muscle mass is a odd thing in its own right, you can be the strongest man in the world at lifting but when you start fighting your body is asking for oxygen your lungs cant provide and fatiguing becomes a issue. To be competitive in MMA you would have to change you're training or after the first round you would be completely gassed, and in doing so he'll lose some of that weight lifter strength that you seem a little too big on IMO.

B. To think anyone who is not a wrestler nor a striker could step in the cage and stop Brock from doing whatever the hell he wants is a bit ridiculous. Brock and some others in the UFC competed at a very high level, he's not just a good wrestler he's a elite wrestler, there is no way this dude is going to learn the kind of balance it would take to defend Brocks take-downs in a year or even two years.

Someday is someday, right now the guy is really not worth talking about at least not in comparison to Brock in the wrestling department.

Its kind of like your statement that James Toney was not a technical striker when thats exactly what he was, spitting knowledge is cool but make sure you have some merit behind the statements so you dont look like a total MMA noob, thats my job and I do it well.
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