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Jackelope
4/10/08 4:08:58PM
During this past Friday's episode of "Inside MMA," hosts Kenny Rice and Bas Rutten weighed in on the MMAjunkie.com Poll of the Week.

Last week's poll focused on the use of elbows, knees to the head of a downed opponent, and soccer kicks in MMA competition. Among the three choices, MMAjunkie.com readers (who were allowed to vote for more than one choice) gave elbows the biggest endorsement (83%), followed by knees (63%) and soccer kicks (35%).

The results sparked a lively debate between Rutten and panelist Ricco Rodriguez.

"I'll take the elbows out; add the knees and the soccer kicks," said Rutten. "I'm all for that."

Rodriguez then made a bold proclamation: had he been able to use elbow strikes during his August 2003 PRIDE fight with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, he would have won.

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I just don't like Ricco Rodriguez. Straight up.
Pookie
4/10/08 4:15:26PM
KO nog with elbows?

Im 100% with bas on this
tberg420
4/10/08 4:24:48PM
Didn't Ricco get screwed over with that decision anyway?
ultimateweapon
4/10/08 4:51:22PM
I don't know for sure
juanez13
4/10/08 4:59:51PM

Posted by tberg420

Didn't Ricco get screwed over with that decision anyway?



Yea IMO he did, had there been elbows i think he would have won too. IMO when ricco was in his prime he could give alot of trouble.
pv3Hpv3p
4/10/08 5:15:05PM

Posted by tberg420

Didn't Ricco get screwed over with that decision anyway?



Ya... Nog's one of my favorite fighters... But he didn't win that contest, it'll go down as one of the worst decisions in MMA
gsquat
4/10/08 5:35:44PM
I agree with pookie... Nog isn't getting KO'd by any elbow. If a flying Fedor fist wont do it, then an elbow certainly wont. Rodriguez = Fat
coldchillin
4/10/08 5:54:21PM
I thought Ricco won the fight without the elbows. It was a bad decision to me, too. It's kind of sad how badly drugs have deteriorated Ricco's skills, you can still see some flashes of the old Ricco in some of his bouts now but that's about it.

I'm with Bas... the Pride rules were perfect, the only reason for no elbows is because they didn't want to stop fights off cuts. I really miss knees on the ground, soccer kicks, and the stomps.

I say include them all.
jgtribbett
4/10/08 7:23:31PM
yes ricco was scary.. only comment
juanez13
4/10/08 7:33:54PM

Posted by gsquat

I agree with pookie... Nog isn't getting KO'd by any elbow. If a flying Fedor fist wont do it, then an elbow certainly wont. Rodriquez = Fat



Really shows your Knowledge
JuggaloWarrior878
4/10/08 9:25:12PM
he could of tko'ed him due to cuts but not knock him out he was all over him in that fight
jiujitsufreak74
4/10/08 10:06:23PM
i think he would have won with elbows and lik some have said i think he won in the first place anyway. some of the newer fans to MMA might not remember RR in his prime, that guy was a fit monster. he had great JJ and was a threat to anyone. it is a shame that he let it go to waste and turned to drugs, he could have been dominant for a little while longer. and for the record, i think he would beat Kimbo even at this point and a loss to Bigfoot isn't anything to be disappointed about...a SD nonetheless. he won't be beating Nog now but i would have to honestly say he wins that fight hands down with elbows, not by KO, but definitely a clearer decision.
wolfman
4/10/08 11:03:42PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74

i think he would have won with elbows and lik some have said i think he won in the first place anyway. some of the newer fans to MMA might not remember RR in his prime, that guy was a fit monster. he had great JJ and was a threat to anyone. it is a shame that he let it go to waste and turned to drugs, he could have been dominant for a little while longer. and for the record, i think he would beat Kimbo even at this point and a loss to Bigfoot isn't anything to be disappointed about...a SD nonetheless. he won't be beating Nog now but i would have to honestly say he wins that fight hands down with elbows, not by KO, but definitely a clearer decision.



You're 16 right? So, aren't you still fairly new to the MMA scene? This isn't intended to be a shot at you, I am just curious....
jiujitsufreak74
4/10/08 11:45:16PM

Posted by wolfman


Posted by jiujitsufreak74

i think he would have won with elbows and lik some have said i think he won in the first place anyway. some of the newer fans to MMA might not remember RR in his prime, that guy was a fit monster. he had great JJ and was a threat to anyone. it is a shame that he let it go to waste and turned to drugs, he could have been dominant for a little while longer. and for the record, i think he would beat Kimbo even at this point and a loss to Bigfoot isn't anything to be disappointed about...a SD nonetheless. he won't be beating Nog now but i would have to honestly say he wins that fight hands down with elbows, not by KO, but definitely a clearer decision.



You're 16 right? So, aren't you still fairly new to the MMA scene? This isn't intended to be a shot at you, I am just curious....



yes, i am 16 but i have been a fan of MMA for a while. this was from the "how long have you been a fan of MMA" thread:

my fanaticism began with PRIDE 13 in 2001. i was only 10 years old and i had no idea who any of the fighters were except renzo gracie. my dad made me watch it (thank god he did) because i was studying JJ at the time and he wanted to show me what professional martial artists looked like. i remember watching vitor secure a beautiful rear naked choke on a black guy, i think it was bobby southworth now that i start to think about it. also remember hendo beating renzo gracie because i was rooting for renzo based on the fact that he did JJ, but i was to be disappointed as henderson KOed him pretty fast.

from then on i started to watch MMA as much as i could and developed a passion for the sport by age 13. now i am 16 and live and breathe MMA.

Ricco and Big Nog fought at PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 when i was 12. i watched that event with my dad and i remember that fight. i also re-watched 2 times since then, the last time being right before the Tim Sylvia/Big Nog fight. so i think i have been a fan of MMA for long enough to be considered not fairly new although i was not able to watch it since the beginning due to the age factor.

JDP_6375
4/10/08 11:54:25PM
Ricco is an old, out of shape, has been who is clinging onto a BS victory years ago when Randy got cut.. He could have beat Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira bloody with a bat & still lost. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira has taken some serious beatings and still wins the fight. Bas Rutten should have slapped the taste out his mouth. I agree with you Jackelope. Ricco is a joke.
loller90278
4/11/08 3:13:18AM
i just rewatched that fight last night, and boy oh boy did ricco get robbed of that decision. i mean he worked big nog for 3 rounds, nobody besides fedor has done that
Jackelope
4/11/08 4:00:53AM
But could he have KO'd Nog? I don't think so.

I'm with Bas on this one... does a cut count as a win? Not really, IMO. And I don't think Ricco would have KO'd Nog. Win, yes, KO'd, no
telnights
4/11/08 4:39:48AM

Posted by juanez13


Posted by tberg420

Didn't Ricco get screwed over with that decision anyway?



Yea IMO he did, had there been elbows i think he would have won too. IMO when ricco was in his prime he could give alot of trouble.



Its number 4 on my list of worst decisions in MMA.
stock
4/11/08 3:58:25PM

Posted by coldchillin

I thought Ricco won the fight without the elbows. It was a bad decision to me, too. It's kind of sad how badly drugs have deteriorated Ricco's skills, you can still see some flashes of the old Ricco in some of his bouts now but that's about it.

I'm with Bas... the Pride rules were perfect, the only reason for no elbows is because they didn't want to stop fights off cuts. I really miss knees on the ground, soccer kicks, and the stomps.

I say include them all.



Agree. I thought Ricco won that fight too (without elbows).
With elbows being legal, it may have at least gotten him the decision.

Yes... include them all.
gsquat
4/11/08 4:14:55PM

Posted by juanez13


Posted by gsquat

I agree with pookie... Nog isn't getting KO'd by any elbow. If a flying Fedor fist wont do it, then an elbow certainly wont. Rodriguez = Fat



Really shows your Knowledge



Does it? From that sentence, what do you now know of my knowledge? That Nog has never been KO'd, let alone by an elbow? That Ricco Rodriguez is fat? Those are the only things I said, and they're all true. Really shows your ability to read.
Pookie
4/11/08 4:22:29PM
He could have been serious and just responded to you aggreeing with me... my opinion is golden in alot of circles ... im kind of a big deal around here
keith-hackney1
4/11/08 4:48:04PM

Posted by gsquat

I agree with pookie... Nog isn't getting KO'd by any elbow. If a flying Fedor fist wont do it, then an elbow certainly wont. Rodriguez = Fat






... 100 %
pv3Hpv3p
4/11/08 4:54:57PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by juanez13


Posted by tberg420

Didn't Ricco get screwed over with that decision anyway?



Yea IMO he did, had there been elbows i think he would have won too. IMO when ricco was in his prime he could give alot of trouble.



Its number 4 on my list of worst decisions in MMA.



whaderyer other 3?
stock
4/12/08 8:23:39AM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p

whaderyer other 3?



I think this would make an excellent side discussion...
http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/topic.aspx?ID=17764
telnights
4/12/08 10:15:42PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by telnights
Its number 4 on my list of worst decisions in MMA.



whaderyer other 3?



1. Mike Bisping vs Matt Hamill
2. Rampage Jackson vs Ninja Rua
3. Jeff Joslin vs Jon Fitch
4. Ricco Rodriguez vs Big Nog
5. Wanderlei Silva vs Mark Hunt
6. Yuki Kondo vs Dan Henderson
7. Clay Guida vs Tyson Griffin
8. Yushin Okami vs Jake Shields
9. Roy Nelson vs Ben Rothwell
10. Hellboy Hansen vs JZ Cavancante


My list changes from time to time as I rematch old fights.
cmill21
4/12/08 11:12:23PM
Yeah I don't think an elbow is going to KO alot of people. They hurt and they cut but to generate alot of power from that close with the elbow having to go in a slashing motion is pretty tough. I would definetly like to see knee's added, not really into soccer kicks but stomps are fine by me. I don't mind elbows but they ruin fights when they cut people.
Pitbull09
4/13/08 6:43:53PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by telnights
Its number 4 on my list of worst decisions in MMA.



whaderyer other 3?



1. Mike Bisping vs Matt Hamill
2. Rampage Jackson vs Ninja Rua
3. Jeff Joslin vs Jon Fitch
4. Ricco Rodriguez vs Big Nog
5. Wanderlei Silva vs Mark Hunt
6. Yuki Kondo vs Dan Henderson
7. Clay Guida vs Tyson Griffin
8. Yushin Okami vs Jake Shields
9. Roy Nelson vs Ben Rothwell
10. Hellboy Hansen vs JZ Cavancante


My list changes from time to time as I rematch old fights.



Thats a good list. I cant disagree with any of those really. The Guida fight is the one that hurt me most though ...
GSPCanada
4/13/08 9:26:45PM
I haven't seen the fight so I can't weight in on too much. (if any one has a link they can send me that would be great)

I doubt he would have knocked him out

As far as their fight goes ya if you could use elbows he might have won but Noguiera knows he couldn't use him and uses a suitable style. Part of the reason I think Wanderlei sucks in the ufc is because he can't kick guys when they r down and that's why tito was able to control him and although Henderson knocked him out standing he was controlling him on the ground to start the fight (that fight was in the US so no kicks were allowed) I think if henderson in Wanderlei fought in Japan then Silva wins that fight
Tein_Lung
4/14/08 6:24:31AM
I like elbows and knees... not soccer kicks... simply for the fact that a soccor kick can more easily permantly injure someone....
tomp6581
4/14/08 6:41:21AM

Posted by telnights


Posted by juanez13


Posted by tberg420

Didn't Ricco get screwed over with that decision anyway?



Yea IMO he did, had there been elbows i think he would have won too. IMO when ricco was in his prime he could give alot of trouble.



Its number 4 on my list of worst decisions in MMA.




I know. Ricco won this fight clearly. I still doubt he would have KO'd nog with elbows though.
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