Cavalcante: No Pay, No DREAM

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DCRage
10/13/10 6:51:06PM
The story of fighters not being paid in mixed martial arts is a much too frequent storyline. As popular as the sport has become, major organizations across the globe are facing financial troubles. Latest case in point: Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante says he has not been paid for his DREAM 15 fight against Katsunori Kikuno and won't fight for them again until he is. “I’m not saying I’m done with them, but I’m not going to fight until they pay me and try to come out with something and try to explain because they don’t even answer my manager. My manager called them and they don’t even answer,” added Cavalcante. “They did not come out with an explanation. I feel disrespected from them. I’m not looking to fight for them for a while.” The Brazilian enjoyed competing in Japan and describes the situation as “sad.” “It’s sad because Dream is a nice event. The event in Japan, it’s cool. It’s an honor with the history, the samurai spirit and everything. It’s a good show also. I would like to fight for both especially because I have my crowd over there,” stated Cavalcante. “I would like to keep fighting back and forth, but unfortunately it’s not going good.” Cavalcanted explained the difference in timely pay of fighting in Japan compared to competing for U.S. based promotions. “In Japan, they usually pay within one month. After the show they have one month to pay. That’s in the contract,” explained the two-time K-1 Grand Prix titleholder. In Strikeforce, they pay you right after the event because the boxing commissions, they ask you for the checks and everything to be paid to the commission that they pass to the fighters right after the fight. So I already have my check from the fight (with Josh Thomson last week), which is really good. You fought, you want to have your money,” said Cavalcante.

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machodog76
10/13/10 7:25:53PM
Ever notice you never hear these comlaints from fighters who hail from japan?
DCRage
10/13/10 7:44:34PM
Because they're also wrestlers, actors, adult movie stars, etc. Plenty of other ways to make money.
Gogoplatapus
10/13/10 7:57:22PM

Posted by DCRage

Because they're also wrestlers, actors, adult movie stars, etc. Plenty of other ways to make money.



So they fight for free? Who's in porno?
DCRage
10/13/10 8:19:13PM
Hayato Sakurai once did such a scene. Or so it's claimed on the net.
machodog76
10/13/10 8:59:18PM
I'd say it's because it doesn't happen. They only cheat the foreigners.
grappler0000
10/13/10 9:43:24PM

Posted by machodog76

I'd say it's because it dosn't happen. They only cheat the foreigners.



Ding, ding, ding!
DosBox
10/13/10 10:31:11PM
Yea, I mean it really is unfortunate.

Goodridge, Gracie, Fernandes, Calvancante, Todd Moore, Jimmy Ambriz, Imani Lee, etc etc etc all have had troubles with paychecks. Its not a new problem in DREAM, and this problem has persisted for a couple of YEARS now.

What really sucks is fighters having DREAM/Strikeforce contracts.

DREAM cant pay fighters.
Strikeforce cant give fighters fights.


This has been documented in the case of Vitor Ribeiro, Lyle Beerbohm, Babalu, etc.

Heck, Paul Bradley who was signed by Strikeforce, had to get acceptance from Strikeforce to take a fight because Strikeforce wasnt going to give them a fight for a while (hadnt fought in Strikeforce since Feb. and they had no plans to really use him). So he was granted a fight in Shark Fight, beats down and defeats Johnny Rees... and then gets cut by Strikeforce. (Mainly because they couldnt waste/find card space on him).

Thats why I always cringe when the norm for people to say "Boy I wish DREAM/Strikeforce could sign X".




prozacnation1978
10/13/10 10:41:54PM
i dont blame him at all
others should follow suite

they should have a check paid out to their fighters the day after the fights

do you really think their will be a dream promotion by the end of 2011
jjeans
10/14/10 8:05:15AM

Posted by prozacnation1978

i dont blame him at all
others should follow suite

they should have a check paid out to their fighters the day after the fights

do you really think their will be a dream promotion by the end of 2011



gartface
10/14/10 12:43:53PM
Wait, you mean FEG isn't paying you? No way.

If more fighters follow suit, I can kiss goodbye the days of staying up till 6 am to watch DREAM.
seanfu
10/14/10 1:20:35PM

Posted by gartface

Wait, you mean FEG isn't paying you? No way.

If more fighters follow suit, I can kiss goodbye the days of staying up till 6 am to watch DREAM.



It's a sad goodbye. They need some sort of PPV or HBO/Showtime money or they will go under.

Strikeforce might too if they don't expand enough to hold enough cards and make enough from the cards to pay the fighters and keep them active. If the UFC gets a total monopoly I think the sport itself will go under in terms of politics.
Aether
10/14/10 4:26:30PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by machodog76

I'd say it's because it dosn't happen. They only cheat the foreigners.



Ding, ding, ding!



Well it could also be that the majority of the Japanese fighters don't have other options the way that guys like JZ do, and as a result they don't want to bite the hand that (eventually?) feeds. It's probably more financially sound for a lot of those guys to keep their mouths shut and hope they get paid late as opposed to giving DREAM a reason to cut them after their next loss. Obviously this doesn't apply to bigger name fighters but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of considerably less marketable fighters who just have to keep their mouths shut for this reason.
Rush
10/14/10 6:27:02PM

Posted by Aether


Well it could also be that the majority of the Japanese fighters don't have other options the way that guys like JZ do, and as a result they don't want to bite the hand that (eventually?) feeds. It's probably more financially sound for a lot of those guys to keep their mouths shut and hope they get paid late as opposed to giving DREAM a reason to cut them after their next loss. Obviously this doesn't apply to bigger name fighters but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of considerably less marketable fighters who just have to keep their mouths shut for this reason.



Added to this, there is a level of patience that is 10x higher in Japan than elsewhere. It's part of their culture and it is kind of connected with a trust that things will be righted, eventually.

Or it's possible that a lot of Japanese fighters don't talk to the American media and thus we just don't hear about it.

machodog76
10/14/10 7:48:47PM
Possible but judging by history I would say they just don't have much of a problem ripping off outsiders Japan has always had a problem with corruption in MMA, organised crime has a heavy hand over there just ask Goodrich. I could see some the lower end japanese fghters being screwed over and just keeping their mouths shut, but a Japanese fighter that was as popular as JZ or Diaz waiting 6 months to a year, I doubt it.
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